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Why a country's love of gambling and booze is good for investors
Mark Yockey, portfolio manager for the Artisan International Small Cap Fund, says China's consumption of Congnac is on the rise, while its love of gambling is as strong as ever. This is good news for investors.
This week on WealthTrack, a rare interview with a great
global investor. Artisan International Funds Mark Yockey explains why his
worldwide hunch for growth has lead to big game profits
in Japanese Auto Stocks, foreign beer companies and Chinese casinos.
Award-winning fund manager Mark Yockey is next on Consuelo Mack
WealthTrack. One of the things that you said in the
pre-interview was that, you know, that coke and Cognac was
a combination in looking at China and you've got looking
at your portfolio, you got a fairly sizable position of
companies that are in China. What's the coke and Cognac
theme that you're following up on? -Well, it's not just
the French people that like Cognac although they drink certainly
their share. The other people that like Cognac in the
world in particular are the Chinese, and they love Cognac
and they're drinking it by the gallon. And right now,
only about 1 percent of all the alcoholic beverages consumed
in China are imported. But Cognac, the biggest part of
that, in fact, it's probably 80 or 90 percent of
that and it's growing at about 25 percent a year
and it's still mainly only consumed on the coast where
the big, you know, the big cities that we know--
-Right. -Shanghai and Beijing where those places are located. And
now the consumption is started to move in land as
the income of the people inside China are growing faster.
And so, you know, Pernod Ricard was considered the stock
got hammered when they bought Absolute because they paid too
much for it and we bought it after that. And
now they've been growing at 20 to 25 percent in
Asia for the last 5 years and the stock is
growing from 40 to 90. And so those are the
kinds of things that we look for. -So when you
have a stock that's gone from 40 to 90, obviously
you're seeing how their business is going as well. And,
so, you know, what would make you reduce your holdings
in Pernod? -You know, these companies Consuelo are unique assets.
There's only one company that dominates Cognac sales in China
and it's Pernod. And so for us to sell it,
it means it's gonna have to get overvalued-- to significantly
overvalue. They just reported their earnings today and they are
better than expected and the stock was up 2 or
3 percent in the down market. And you know what?
Next year, the Chinese are gonna drink 25 percent more
Cognac than they did this year. In the year after
that, they're gonna drink 25 percent more again. So these
are intrinsic, you know, inherent grow stories that are just
wonderful companies. -So another activity that the Chinese love is
gambling. And you've been a major investor in some Chinese
gambling casinos. -That's a great story when Las Vegas got
in trouble after the '08 recession. The banks told the
casinos in Las Vegas that they had list their Macau
subsidiaries. -So when Macau for instance was one of your
holdings-- -When Macau and Sands Macau was forced to go
public in Hong Kong and that allowed us to invest
them because we're only investing in international companies. -Did you
invest them as IPOs or-- -As IPOs-- -You did. Uh-huh.
-And then we continue to invest with them for a
long time because these companies never existed before in Asia
and so people don't know what to do with them.
And people didn't really understand the American mentality of gaming
either. Because the Las Vegas is much different than the
historical Chinese game in the Macau which was kinda pretty
low and just gaming no dinners, no entertainment, nothing like
that, pretty divvy hotels and the Las Vegas ways, nice
hotels, nice restaurants and just making events rather than just
going to gamble. And these companies have been moon shots.
They've all gone up between 100 to 400 percent since
we invested them. -Now, as a result you have pared
back your holdings in Sands for instance so I don't
know about when. So you've made decisions there based on
evaluation. Is that the reason or-- -Based on evaluations and
Macau-- just as a historical point of reference. Macau does
about 40 billion in gaming reference a year and Las
Vegas does 6. -Wow, I had no idea it was
that different. -So Macau is 7 times as big as
Las Vegas. When we invested on these things when we
are doing Research on these things, people will talk about
when would Macau become as big as Las Vegas and
it's 7 times bigger now. So they've done well and
they've gone up a lot and so we've reduced our
holdings a little bit. We still own them. We'd love
them to come back a little bit and we love
to buy back. -So is that also something that you
do frequently that you have companies that you've owned, you'll
sell when they get overvalued by your standards and then
you'll come back and buy them on, you know, debts
or down turns or-- -Sure. For some reason or whatever
a few months ago Sands and people were nervous about
the casinos and Sands went from 35 Hong Kong down
to 25 Hong Kong and so we bought a bunch
of stock at 25 and now it's almost 40 and
so we've reduced our holdings a little bit but it's
a great company and really well-positioned to benefit from gaming
going forward. -So Baidu is another holding or Chinese holding
of yours the search engine-- Chinese search engine. So-- and
they've certainly have their ups and downs over the last
several years. So what's your current view on Baidu? -I
think investors totally misunderstand the story. They're being penalized for
just acquiring the Youtube of China. Youtube US is a
$4 billion business and growing like a weed. It's gonna--
the Chinese want the same thing as Americans do. They
wanna have entertainment. They wanna have a quick look at
whatever is popular at the moment and they're being penalized
because it's losing money. And the other thing is going
out is there's this huge move around the world to
mobile searches as opposed to search on your PC. And
so right now they're giving it away in China, mobile
search. But the way I look at it, the way
we look at it is mobile search is even more
valuable than search on the PC, because if you do
it on your cellphone, it means you probably wanna do
something right away, otherwise, you walk in down the street
in New York or Kansas City or San Francisco, you
hit Yelp or whatever the App is to find a
restaurants or to find a hardware store or to find
an entire store, whatever you're looking for. And that's the
transaction- oriented business. So that search oughta be worth more.
Right now they're giving it away. In a few years,
mobile search is gonna be 3 times as big as
fixed search on your PC. And this hasn't been monetized
at all. So, you know what? Personally, I think Baidu
is gonna double overtime.
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