A radical idea: Pay clients for the privilege of managing their funds

One consultant thinks active managers should become principals rather than agents

May 2, 2018 @ 10:45 am

By Bloomberg Gadfly

The asset management industry is in a funk. The popularity of low-cost index trackers is crushing fees across the board, while Morgan Stanley reckons a shift to performance-based charges threatens half of the industry's profit. Divyesh Hindocha has an even more radical suggestion: Fund managers should pay their clients for the privilege of managing their money.

Mr. Hindocha, a London-based partner at consultancy firm Mercer, wants to turn active managers into principals, rather than agents. If they really can outperform a particular benchmark given a long enough time horizon, they should be willing to offer clients a fixed return over the benchmark — the fee for managing the money — in exchange for keeping any further out-performance they generate.

"We keep getting told by managers that their value creation process tends to be longer than the typical horizon of an investor," Mr. Hindocha says. "This in turn leads to short-termism. Under the new model, their investment time horizon can be aligned to their value-creation process."

The willingness of one of the industry's top consultancy firms to propose such a heretical solution is evidence that active management faces an existential crisis. But it's also proof that there's a growing realization that the status quo is untenable. The more willing the industry is to entertain unorthodox ideas, the better its chances of survival. Here's a lightly edited transcript of my Tuesday telephone discussion with Mr. Hindocha about his idea.

MARK GILBERT: What's happening in the asset management industry?

DIVYESH HINDOCHA: The role of traditional long-only equity active management is diminishing. There's an increasing allocation of capital to passive management, maybe approaching 30% globally. The use of traditional long-only asset capability is declining quite rapidly. The whole industry is in retreat. We know the reasons: It's expensive, it's not delivered sometimes, regulation is increasingly playing a role and it's quite a difficult thing to get your head around.

MG: How is the kind of customer that the industry needs to serve changing?

DH: Savings systems are changing from defined benefit to defined contribution. When it comes to active management, we've still got offerings that are designed for the consumers of the past — effectively, defined benefit schemes and endowments. But there's a new consumer, the individual investor coming directly into the marketplace or through defined contribution schemes. There's a big gap between what the industry is offering and what the individual may want or need.

MG: Talk me through this thought experiment.

DH: Active management has a valuable role to play in society. It helps with the efficient allocation of capital, it should help in holding managements of companies to account and it provides liquidity and price discovery. All of those are good things. At the individual savings level, if I can add a little bit of additional return on top of what I might get by just investing in an ETF, that's going to be valuable over a 20- or 30- or 40-year time horizon.

But we've got to completely change the way we think about active management. The defined benefit investor can still say "I know how to identify managers, I can put the managers together, I can negotiate fees. Having done all that, after five years I reckon I can extract 120 basis points of extra return after paying fees because I'm clever enough." Those folks can continue playing that game.

The needs of the individual investor are different. The active manager needs to say "give us your 100 pounds. We're going to give you the market return plus 30 basis points, guaranteed," which is small but valuable. We as the active management community go away, and if we manage to extract some alpha, good for us. After paying you your 30 basis points, we'll keep everything. As far as the saver is concerned, they don't care what the manager does. As long they get the market return plus 30 basis points, they're much better off than the alternative, which is probably an ETF charging them, maybe, 50 basis points. So, net, they're better off by 80 basis points, which is hugely valuable over a 20- or 30-year time horizon.

We're going to be long-term greedy because we think we can make money by active management, and we'll give you a little bit, and the rest we'll keep. We know there will be periods in which we will struggle. But that's OK, we'll sort that out; that's not your problem. But over time, because we think we're good at this, we should make a successful business out of this.

MG: What happens if, over the five-year period, the active manager underperforms the benchmark?

DH: The active manager believes that over time, they can outperform the market by 100 or 150 basis points. That's their model. There will be periods when they underperform, but over time, they ought to make money. Why would a manager do this? Take a manager using the current model, charging a fee for what they do. The manager says we continue to run, say, 90% of our business on the old model, where we are collecting fees and handing over alpha, and 10% of our business is based on this new model. So the fees coming in from the 90% will help fund the short periods of underperformance the manager might experience in the 10%. Long-term, we're making more money because we know that instead of giving up all of our alpha, we'll only be giving up a third, maybe a quarter, and the rest we'll keep.

MG: Have you pitched this to Mercer clients? How open are they to the idea?

DH: First, we want to try and get this idea out and debated. There are a couple of conversations taking place with our clients asking how this would potentially work for them. The second step would be to try and find, say, half a dozen managers prepared to put in half a billion or a billion each, for example, and run a small experiment to see how this might work. On the client side, I think this can fly very quickly; the difficult part is finding managers who want to play.


What do you think?

View comments

Recommended next

Upcoming event

Oct 22


San Francisco Women Adviser Summit

The InvestmentNews Women Adviser Summit, a one-day workshop now held in six cities due to popular demand, is uniquely designed for the sophisticated female adviser who wants to take her personal and professional self to the next level.... Learn more


Hi! Glad you're here and we hope you like all the great work we do here at InvestmentNews. But what we do is expensive and is funded in part by our sponsors. So won't you show our sponsors a little love by whitelisting investmentnews.com? It'll help us continue to serve you.

Yes, show me how to whitelist investmentnews.com

Ad blocker detected. Please whitelist us or give premium a try.


Subscribe and Save 60%

Premium Access
Print + Digital

Learn more
Subscribe to Print